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69: Mastering the Art of the P.A.U.S.E. with Raychel Perman

One of the only things you can count on in life is change. Whether it’s a cross-country move, a relationship status changing, or just a small shift in your daily routine, change is inevitable. The key is in learning to be resilient. My next guest shares the inspiring story of her own major life change, the short-term and long-term effects of stress, and how to master the art of the P.A.U.S.E.

Raychel Perman is a Certified Life & Leadership Coach, Speaker, Best-Selling Author, Podcast Co-Host, and Co-Founder of RAYMA Team. She shares her story of overcoming trauma and living with mental health challenges & chronic pain to inspire others that brokenness does not disqualify them from living and leading well. It prepares you.

To learn more about Raychel, visit her website here and here, and follow her on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter.


Think meditation is hard. Do me a favor, take a slow, deep breath in, and now breathe out. Congratulations, you just meditated. Hi, I’m Krystal Jacosky, and this is Breathe In. Breathe out a weekly mindfulness and meditation podcast for anyone ready to own their own shit and find a little peaceful while doing it.  

Krystal Jakosky:   Welcome back to Breathe In, Breathe Out. I’m Krystal Jacosky and I’m really excited to share this week’s episode with you. I first met Kevin Pinnell when I was a guest on his podcast, which is Award A Better Life. It was such a delightful experience. We had so many things in common that I really wanted to bring him on my podcast so that we could talk about the indigenous people. Kevin began his journey with the indigenous people of North America in the early nineties. He met Ken two feathers early on in that journey, and Ken Two Feathers became more than Kevin’s teacher. They had a wonderful friendship. And 10 years into that friendship, Kevin wrote the book, Two Feathers, Spiritual Seed Planter as Kevin Laughing Hawk, which addressed two feathers life and Native American spirituality. There is so much more to his experience and his life. This is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. We’re going to talk about some of the keynotes of Kevin’s experience. I really hope that you enjoy listening as much as I enjoyed having him on my podcast. Hello, and welcome back to Breathe In, Breathe Out. I’m Krystal Jakosky, your host, and I am so excited to have Kevin on our show today. Kevin Cannell, welcome.  

Kevin Pennell:    Thank you. Great to be here. This is awesome. I’ve switched roles for a change. I’m not a host. I’m actually a guest. 

Krystal Jakosky:    Oh, isn’t that fun? When you get to switch it up a little bit. Kevin and I have actually been recording right now because whenever we have the opportunity to chat, Kevin and I go off on so many different tangents and so many different realms, and it’s because we are both interested in so many different things. We are always looking for something new to learn or something new to teach, which means that we have a plethora of things that we can talk about and go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole. So we’re going to make an effort to keep this a little shorter, meaning not four hours long, because we could talk for hours.

Kevin Pennell:    We’re going to try to focus.  

Krystal Jakosky:    We’re going to give it the college try, you know, the good college. Not the one where you smoke pot for the first four years and then decide to do college. We’re going to actually try to focus. Welcome to my world today. Kevin, tell us a little bit about yourself, who you are and what brought you to my podcast studio.  

Kevin Pennell:    Oh my goodness. Well, if you got about two or three hours, hang in there. It’s just actually been about a year ago that I decided, I’m going to try doing a podcast because for 35 years off and on, I was in broadcast journalism and radio. So I just have a lot of fun with it. And I published a book, worked on a couple of other books, and did some magazine articles. I love to write, but for whatever reason, the publisher just wasn’t impressed. Okay, this is great, but you’re not going to publish it. It’s good stuff, but we’re not going to publish it. And I’m going, Yeah, fine, whatever. And I realized part of writing is you have to be able to accept a little two letter word called no.  

Oh, that’s standard procedure. And I just, in one of those moments, I said, you know, I did broadcast journalism and I did human interest stories for years. I really enjoy doing that, just listening and talking with people about their lives. And literally, I think it was like 3:30 or 4:30 in the morning. That tends to be what I call my spirit time. Some of the most significant little truths that I’ve ever had. The title for the book that I wrote came to me in the middle of the night. And when I wrote that book, I wrote it from five o’clock in the morning until 6:30 every day until I got done with it. But that’s my spirit time. This time it came through as you need to do a podcast called Toward a Better Life.  

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Think meditation is hard? Do me a favor, take a slow deep breath in and now breathe out. Congratulations, you just meditated. Hi, I’m Krystal Jakosky, and this is Breathe In, Breathe Out: a Weekly Mindfulness and Meditation podcast for anyone ready to own their own shit and find a little peace while doing it.

Krystal Jakosky: Hello and welcome back to Breathe In, Breathe Out. I’m Krystal Jakosky. And as always, I am absolutely thrilled that you chose this moment today and that you are here with me, just taking a time out and breathing in what life has to offer you in this moment. Today I get to speak with Raychel Perman. She is a certified life and leadership coach, speaker, bestselling author, podcast co-host, and co-founder of Rayma Team. She shares her story of overcoming trauma and living with a mental health challenge and chronic pain to inspire others that are broken. This does not disqualify you from living and leading. Well, it actually prepares you, so hello and welcome. How are you today, Raychel?

Raychel Perman: I’m great. Thanks for having me. I’m doing well. I was telling you that we’re in day four of a blizzard here in the Midwest. And so I’m ready to get my own shovel and get myself out of here because our roads haven’t gotten plowed yet and I’m becoming a desperate woman. I just have to get out of this house. But other than that, I’m doing great.

Krystal Jakosky: Right. Oh, the contrast in our world, I’m enjoying 60-degree weather. So I just want to send that heat up to you and have it melt everything so that you can get out and enjoy a little bit more than what you’re able to right now. Oh my gosh. So Raychel, tell me a little bit about yourself and your past and what brought you to be a leadership coach and just you.

Raychel Perman: Okay. If you ask my friends, they always tell you that I am funny and wise, but I also tell it like it is, and I am Midwest born and raised. I make my home in North Dakota with my husband and three great kids. We do have two fur babies who are really enjoying the snow. We are a blended family, so sometimes our house is really full, and then sometimes it’s just me and my husband and the dogs, and I am obsessed with plants. So I’m really excited for the snow to leave because I was getting ready to plant. I have an obsession with the British Royal family and cute coffee mugs and I like to rock the boat. And so yes, I am an Amazon bestselling author, public speaker podcast, and host. I have a lot of different titles that I use and the entrepreneur bug actually hit me when I was 19.

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