And I said, Okay, that sounds really good. And then it started, because I’m saying, Okay, fine, I’ll take care of it. It’s four o’clock in the morning, I’m just going to go back to sleep. And the universe says, Uh, no, you’re not. You’re going to sit down. As a matter of fact, you’re going to write the full intro. You’re going to write the first full promo, and it’s going to be a few minutes long. And I said, Alright, fine. So I got up at four o’clock in the morning, wrote it all out, and I started doing podcasts. I joined a group that both of us are involved in, and they directed me to Krystal. I asked Krystal to be a guest on my program toward a better life. And Wow, we hit it off and we just have so much in common. We have so many cool things to talk about.  

I went through the same thing with Krystal when she first came on my podcast saying, Okay, so when do we really start the podcast? And we had probably, I don’t know, know, 20, 30 minutes  on the phone before we actually started. So I appreciate Krystal’s insights into helping people, helping people where they are, helping people to help themselves, and learning that life really can be a truly enjoyable experience if you look at it that way. And if you choose to look at it from a negative perspective, guess what you’re going to get. And I said, You know, we have so many different things in common that we can do with that so this is cool. This is awesome. 

Krystal Jakosky:    I love you and I want to put you in my pocket and just carry you around with me. Thank you for the boost. One of the things that Kevin and I have the opportunity to really connect with and is dear to my heart is actually the native path. And so today, in the interest of bringing more awareness and more understanding about possibilities and different healing modalities that you guys can dive into, finding your peace, finding your direction, finding your life, I really wanted Kevin to come on and talk about his journey with that native path so that you guys can understand a little bit more, because some of us are really drawn to it. I can tell you that any time I hear those drums, I am bouncing and walking around right along with it, because there is something that speaks to my heart and soul, and it brings me joy to be in that area. So Kevin, what drew you to the native path? Tell me about a little bit of your background and what brought you to that new place?  

Kevin Pennell:    I became really curious about how the indigenous people worked in close harmony with the world around them. They saw the trees as their brothers. You see the animals as their brothers and sisters. They would call the trees, not trees, but they called the brothers, called them the tall ones. Would call the stones, the rocks, grandmothers and grandfathers. They would go into a sweat lodge or they’d call them the stone people because they were the wisest people, because these stone people have been around for thousands of years. And the only way that we have to communicate is if you’re really in tune with stuff. You’re walking a long garden past some place, maybe out in Colorado or Texas or Minneapolis or wherever you might be in this little stone. You’re just drawn to it and you say, I got nothing, but it looks cute, so I’ll pick it up.  

And you, and if you actually tried to tell that person, you do know that that stone just talked to you, Right? They’d say, Yeah, Right. What planet did you just fall off of? But I was always intrigued by the natural world, and I’ve always been intrigued by all the beauty of the natural world. And then I found myself just getting interested in that. And I started to say, Well, I wonder if I have any native blood in me. And I said, Well, you know, and at the time I was living in Broward County down in Florida, and we had a pretty big library. The library in Broward County was huge. And they actually had an archive section, and you could go in, believe it or not, Krystal, you could go into there and you can look up the original manifests from the original Mayflower.

Obviously they’re micro-fish, but it was amazing. We’re talking about handwriting Okay. That they had preserved from some place. And I’m going to just casually conclude the other, you know, and the curiosity part comes in. Oh, I wonder if Pinnell is in the right place. Yeah. 1637, third Mayflower, there’s a Pinal. I went, Oh my gosh. My family’s been here since 1637. And I know my dad had told me that, you know, the other crew came in from Wales, around sometime  in the mid to early 1700s, because our ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. So, geez, you know, common sense will tell you, I’ve got to have native blood in me. Right. I’ve been around here for three to 400 years. It’s got to be native blood in me. Right? So I started that path and I started chumming around with different folks, and I was really drawn to a couple of folks.  

One of those people as a person, I wrote about. The book is Two Feather Spiritual Seed Planter, and it’s written by Kevin Laughing Hawk, which is my spirit name that he gave me. But when Kenny and I first met, and this is shown in the book, when Kenny and I first met, I went into that guy, and I’m just talking with him because I was curious, and at the time I was doing news for local a radio station, and I said, You know, I wonder, I’m not really into the idea of interviewing this guy for a program, but I did see him identified in a local newspaper, The Gainesville Sun, I think it was. I sat down and I talked with him, and I just said, You know, you’re an interesting man and I would really like to share a little bit more with you.  

He said, Sure, by all means, what questions do you have? And that short little time ended up being two and a half hours, difficult to do with you. Well, if you knew two feathers, you’d see that we’re on the verge of destruction here for taking up time. Oh, wow. Both of us just went on and on and on. And one of the most significant things that he said to me, he looked at me and he said, I do have a question for you, Kevin. I said, What’s that? He says, Do you know who you are? And I said, Well, sure. I know exactly who I am. I’m Kevin Pennell,  I’ve been a pi, I’ve been a cop. I was in radio, I’m in radio now, and you know, I’ve done this, I’ve done that. I’ve done, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do you know who you are? And I said, I, I don’t. He says, We’ll go to that later. And he told me also, You know so you write news stories? I said, Yeah. He says, You know, maybe someday you ought to write a book about me or write a book about us. And I went, Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Like, I’m going to do that. 10 years later I did.

But, you know, so that’s the process. I was, you know, Kenny and I got together and I looked at him as my, my good friend, my brother, my teacher, my mentor. We are convinced that we were related in a past life, and we’ve got proof in our hearts and our spirits that that’s very, very true. And if I had a picture of him someplace, I would try to pull it up here to show you, because particularly in the cover of my book, and if you go to Amazon, you can see it. And people would look at that picture and they’d say, Well, it’s about Ken two feathers. Why did you put your picture on the cover?  

And I didn’t. That’s Kenny, that’s how close we looked like each other. And when I was living up in Maine I’d be on the street walking along and somebody’d holler across the street, and this is a little village up there called Bethel. He would holler across the street, and they would say, Kenny. Kenny. And I’m looking around Flood, trying to find Kenny. I can’t see Kenny anywhere,  I turned around and then said, Oh, wait a minute. You’re not Kenny  

They were talking to me. Things for a compliment. Yeah. Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate that. Nice thoughts. But Kenny taught me so much about this stuff, and I was still convinced that I was Native American. You know, after all, I’ve been here for 300 and something years. My family’s been here that long. I mean, my gosh, I’ve got to be Native American, Nope. Few years ago, Vicky, who’s my partner, got me one of these DNA test things, and I found out that I am Scott Welsh, Irish, and a little bit of German. And here’s the cool part that I didn’t expect. I’m also a Viking.

That answered a lot of questions for me, because if you go into some of the history of the Carolinas and some of the Virginias, you’ll find out that a lot of the intermarriages that took place a couple of hundred years ago with the Cherokee people, and it looks like they would intermarry with Celtics. If you start looking at the Celtic traditions, and you look at them in comparison to Native American ways, both of them honor the earth, both of them look at the spirits of the world, the spirits of the animals, the spirits of the earth, the spirits of everything. And that’s enough common ground to cause a beautiful relationship between people. So instead of turning my back on it saying, Well, you know, I’m not Native American, I’m a human being.  

And that’s what Kenny would tell you. He says, there is no such thing as a Native American, an indigenous person, this, that, the other, we’re all human beings. And that is the essence of it, is to become a human being and a true human being as someone who not only honors the earth, but they honor people and they honor others’ ways. And that continued the journey. But it wasn’t until about a year or so before Kenny crossed over that I came to the realization that, Nope, I’m Scott Welsh and Irish mostly. And I’m okay with that. But in the midst of all of that, what I learned over a period of 15, 20 years of exposure to some of the indigenous people, particularly northeastern woodlands, Kenny was a penobscot and Sarney. You have Pinco, Mick Mack, Ma,  Paqua, you know, all that group that’s up there in Maine and New England. And I sat under his tutelage and learned a great deal about sweat lodges, about getting, giving a name about the significance of having a spirit named significance of the sacred pie, significance of the giveaway. All those beautiful stories and how I made them a part of me. And in sharing that book, I encouraged other people to do this as well, from a standpoint of not becoming a Native American, but to become a better human being. So there’s the short version.

Krystal Jakosky:   The question of, do you know who you are? Is a terrifying question, I think, for a lot of us. I mean, on the one hand, absolutely, I’m so and so, and this is what I do, but do you really know who you are? And to be sitting, you were drawn to indigenous people, you were drawn to the Native American ways. And to have this person sitting there asking you such a deep question You said, I’m Kevin Pennell, and I do this and this, and this and this, But inside, were you freaking out?  

Kevin Pennell:   Oh, yeah. 

Krystal Jakosky:    How did you move from, was it in just that one interview where you moved from where acquaintances and we’re checking each other out, and I wanted to know more about you that you automatically moved into, I want to take you under my wing. Or how did it change from just these two people meeting to, you need to learn more about who you are, and I want to teach you?

Kevin Pennell:   It was one step at a time. In the book I talk about asking for a teacher or looking for a teacher, and it was still a curiosity. And I’m a curious person. I’m a very curious person, underscore that several times. And curiosity can be a blessing, could also be a curse. In this instance, it was a blessing. And the curiosity continued that Kenny says, Oh, we’ve got a Native American gathering coming up. Next month they have what they used to call down around Dad city, They called it the full moon ceremony. And it was beautiful, and it was on the full moon. And you would, we would have all these different people come and, and it was intertribal and even those that were not native and yet called to it, and don’t let me forget, I want to go to that in a second. Their essence was drawing me toward a deeper understanding of these people that were so beautiful and so wonderful. And I said, You know, there’s got to be something here and I can’t quite figure it out. So I kept going back to Kenny and talking with him. This wasn’t just one conversation. And to answer your first question, I’m sorry, was, you know, did you at that point in time realize that you were the student and he was the teacher? The answer is no. The universe knew it.  

Universe knew, it’s taken us this long to get you two guys together crying out loud. You have no idea what a pia this has been.

 And as we moved along, I started hearing about gifting tobacco and asking for a teacher. And really what that means to ask an indigenous person to be your teacher. Kenny taught me a lot as far as being very traditional in some of this stuff, and I’m not dissing anyone for any of this, but, there were people that if you wanted a teacher, then you not only gifted tobacco, but you gifted money. And if you wanted a sweat, you gifted money. It just goes on and on and on. And I’m not I’m not dissing anyone because that’s just their path. But the way that I was taught is, if I want a teacher, I gift them tobacco. If I want a sweat lodge, I gift them tobacco. If I want them to awaken a spirit pipe for me, I gift them tobacco. Why tobacco?  

It’s bad for you. No. What it is, is, is it actually, the smoke is lifted with our spirit thoughts in the smoke to creator to the universe, to the ancestors around us, because that’s how the prayers are lifted. That’s why so often tobacco is looked at as a sacred herb, because its essence, the smoke as it’s burned, lifts our prayers and our intentions to the universe around us and the ancestors. So you would gift tobacco. And after a month, I’d say, I realized I really do want to know more about this. And I ended up gifting Kenny Tobacco and asking him to be my teacher. Part of that entailed, when you asked someone to be your teacher, you are like, I still use the term today. You’ve opened the door. You’ve opened the door to what you’ve opened to allow that person to share with you what they find to be the most benefit for you to be a better human being.  

And guess what? Some of those things they tell you, if you’re a good teacher, you may not and you probably won’t like. Because they tell you stuff that is better for you as a person. And I’m not going to sit here and tell you that it was all actually roses. As roses have thorns, Kenny upset me enough a couple of times that I wanted to punch him. I’m not kidding at all. It just irritated the crap out of me. And he had me, I’m gonna steal your term. He had me own my shit. And I really didn’t want to own my shit because it’s my shit. It’s not somebody else’s. And it’s so easy to say, that’s your fault. You just don’t want to admit to it because it’s your perception. Yeah. So after a while, I became his student, he was my mentor. So he was my student, I was his student, I was his man, he was my mentor. I’ll slip on that because the interesting thing is, when you get in deep enough with somebody, the roles do reverse. You establish a beautiful relationship that is beyond words.  

And as he would say, I’m not sure about our timeframe here, but if you can do this while we’re talking, I’m going to find something since it is going to be shown on YouTube, there’s a beautiful little story if I’m allowed to do this. Okay. 

Krystal Jakosky:    Yeah. This is your podcast. Well, it’s my podcast. You are my guest. You can get to do what you want. 

Kevin Pennell:    If I can do this in a camera. Okay. So I’ve got, There we go. I’ve got three dots here, right? Yeah. Okay, So now I’m going to take this, I’m going to draw a couple of lines here, and here it is again. 

Krystal Jakosky:    Further back, hold it further back so we can see it better. There we go. Okay.  

Kevin Pennell    So when we’re here, this is you and I talking to you, Krystal. Okay. Yeah. But the relationship that we’re forming also forms another relationship.  

This is our higher selves communicating and they’re communicating in terminology. We cannot identify, we cannot communicate because we don’t know, we don’t understand that language. So in a higher form, you and I are communicating. And that’s how Kenny and I were, and that’s how all relationships are. If you really look at it, and it’s when we have these types of relationships that people should understand that. I don’t want to go down this road because it’s a whole nother podcast. But if you are in a situation where you need to end a relationship, this needs to finish or not finish, but you’d redefine it.  

Because you’ve had that communication at that level. And so you have to figure out a way to make it real, to make it a good thing. And one of the things that we’ve used, I know some people think about affirmations, and I got an affirmation years ago, and this was not native, it was not indigenous, but it came from a spiritualist that I met down in Florida. He was an elder in a group down there. And the words go, you put a name or an object in the beginning of this affirmation, you’d say, Jack, I now release you to your good. The good of one is the good of all. Now keep those three little things in mind that I just showed you because Jack and I have had a relationship. But now we need to shift that relationship. So the I that I is the divine side of me, the higher self that I now release you to your good, I now release you to your higher self.  

I now release you to the good intentions that you have. The ultimate result of that is in doing so, you help everyone and yourself included, because the good of one is the good of all. And that’s how you do stuff. If we realize that it really helps our relationships a lot more, so you can see where I can, we can really go to town on that. So that information was shared with me in that it’s so important that we really do get the picture of what it’s like to have a relationship with someone and to be integrated with that person because we are not just linear, but the whole picture. Yeah. So we’re embraced together in that whole thing.   

Krystal Jakosky:    There’s a ton in there. And I was trying to quietly and discreetly take some notes because there are so many things that I want to jump back to. I do the same thing. So, I love the illustration when I am working with a client or when I am being taught with somebody. I have, I have for a long time, 20 years, been very aware of my higher self. And there have been plenty of times that my higher self has been talking with the other person’s higher self. Then I understand. So it helps me to see their perspective. It helps me to see their point of view, why they feel a certain way. When I’m working with a client, I make sure that the conversation between my higher self and myself is very clear. So that if there is information that I need to give to my client while I’m teaching them how to listen to their higher self, it’s a very sacred and beautiful connection that you can build and you can really honor like yourself with your higher self and understanding and trusting the information that you get from them.  

And as a teacher and a student connection, it’s even more sacred and special because of the added depth of the relationship that can happen because of the fact that you’re willing to spiritually connect together. My husband has this phrase, he says, the student becomes the master. And I think that goes to your comment that, that it does, we shift for a little while. We become, we are the teacher or we are the student. And after a little while, we are going to shift and we will be the other, we will be the student or the teacher on some level in some manner. And it’s a beautiful give and take because we’re all human and we all have experiences that we can share to help change lives in beautiful, gentle, and not so gentle ways. Some of the best lessons that I have learned are the ones where I just kind of want to flip the finger and say, Screw you, I don’t want to talk to you anymore.  

Kevin Pennell:    And then I have had those clients who they don’t talk to me for a week or two because what I ask them, what I am inspired to ask them from my eye or power saying, Hey, you need, you need a bigger nudge than what you’re willing to accept right now. So I’m going to say this. And it really upsets them. It’s really infuriating. And yet they always come back and say, thank you.  

I needed that. I wasn’t willing to accept that. And the way that you did that was so fabulous. It hurts like hell. It pisses us off. And yet those moments, as long as we’re still saying yes, and, and I’m going to choose into this, then we’ll see what happens and where it goes. And I’m really grateful for you, that Kenny was able to push your buttons.

Krystal Jakosky:    Am I? You have no idea. He, he came in, I’ll go ahead. No, you’re good. No, no, no. Please. You had a question. I want to because I will ramble forever.  

Kevin Pennell:    No, I was, what I was going to say was actually to the audience and the fact that oftentimes those people who are so challenging have the biggest lessons. They have the biggest opportunity for shifting, for growth. If we step back, take a moment and ask, Okay, what am I supposed to learn? What am I being shown? How can I deal with this? Instead of shutting down and putting that wall there and a million locks and everything else to push that person out of our lives, maybe we step back and say, Okay, how can I learn and how can I grow and how can life be better because of this really frustrating moment that I am experiencing? So friction is good.  

Krystal Jakosky:    It is something, somebody ought to come up with a line like breathe in and breathe out. 

Kevin Pennell:    Right. Thank you.  

So a little while back, I want to bring us back to this because I wanted to come back and you mentioned that you wanted to come back. The whole concept of you thought for sure that you had Native American blood in you, that you were somehow related to that. And then you go in with Kenny two feathers and you’re learning from him. And you said you wanted to return to this concept of the fact that you actually don’t have, and yet you were learning from.  

So in some work that I had done on my own and thankfulness to others, for what it’s worth my background, degree is in theology. And I did a flip some years ago and I will not, again, I’m not going to put anybody down because they go to church because that is the level of spirituality. That’s the way you achieve your level of spirituality that  you feel that you’re growing from and that you’re getting a lot of benefit from. And that’s fine. It’s just not who I am anymore. It was part of my process. I don’t regret any of that. But all that being said, I’m leading into something. And that is that I strongly believe in reincarnation Now, I believe in it so strongly that I can tell you that there were incidents in my life where dreams that used to come to me after I had made a shift and I had made a change that was needed in my life, Guess what happened to those dreams? They stopped because I made the change that was necessary. And I realized after I had had this one, I had one dream that was, it was to the point,  it would actually become nightmarish and it would wake me up. And it was scary. I’m sure people have had these kind of dreams where you would have a dream where you either you want to punch somebody and for whatever reason, everything goes into slow motion and you can’t quite get your fist into it where you need to go stops  

Yeah. Or you have the other situation, which was this one that I had a spear in my hand and I was native. I was a pueblo and I had my spear and we were being invaded and I knew that I had to do something and I just kept trying to move forward with this. And it’s, I’m going to kill you. I’m going to do this. And nothing will ever happen with that. I had a past life regression done by a colleague of mine and came to realize the reason why I had such a hard time with that is because that’s not what happened. Oh. I was a spiritual leader of that group, and I had taken the vow to be a peacemaker, and that meant that I didn’t raise arms against anybody.  

And the truth came out that I watched my family get killed. Wow. And that was tough. And after I realized what was involved with that, I saw for the first time in that juncture, a real essence of what I was in that life. Not only had it been that, but I also found that there were some roots in the Kwa Nation. And because I was, I talked with somebody one time and we were just having a great time, just like you and I are having a great time right now. And we started singing some wonderful songs and some of the songs that just came from the heart just came from Spirit. I’m just going at it. And the lady that I was with at the time, she says she just held her hand up and she was black feet and Polish.  

That’s a good combination. She said, You need to stop right there. And I said, Why? What? You know, what did I do? And I’m still, this is like three or four years into my, two or three years into my path on some of this indigenous people path. What did I do? Did I offend you? And she, No,  have you been around K people? And I said, No, I’ve never been around Kwa people. Where are they? And she says, Well, you know, up Midwest. And I said, Okay. So what? She says, Well, you’re singing in the K language. I got nothing. And again, I did some more work. And I’m, I’m comfortable with that, that Kwa. And some people say, Oh, you’re just one of those frilly, fufu people that just believes in anything and everything.  

But what I’ve got also down deep inside of me is a real sense. And it was brought into full light when I saw, and I heard from Kenny, but I heard about a story that was given down, I believe by the Hopi, and I can be wrong, but something about that there are so many souls who are out there from the 500 nations that occupied North America. There are not enough bodies for the souls that have crossed over. And so some of those souls went into the people of today, the white people, and those that have the hearts and the minds ready for this sort of thing.  Okay, I can accept that or not, all I know is this. I’m going to move along with the way that time feels. I’m the most comfortable. And so, I will talk about, you need to be very wary of being too comfortable because you know, you can get so comfortable that you no longer grow. But comfort in this act, I would say not comfortable, but content with the concept that I’m confident that I’ve been in native in the past. And that’s why one of the reasons I gravitated back to this is because I see the connection between my true heritage of the Celtic people and the inherited or reincarnated heritage of my native side. So yeah, it’s beautiful. It’s powerful stuff.  

I’m searching for the right words at the moment because there are a ton of thoughts and ideas going through my brain right now. And I want to say these words in the most respectful and honoring way that I can. We are drawn to different things. We are drawn to different ways of life. And it is all an opportunity to learn and grow. It is all an opportunity to find compassion and expansion with understanding a different culture, a different way of living, a different state of being. And this is, and I would like to mention that not by way of just Native American and indigenous pupils. I’m talking about people who live differently than us. Maybe it’s someone who chooses religion and the structure that that gives them over spirituality. Perhaps it’s someone who has a different societal belief, right? Whether you’re Republican or Democrat or all those things.  

Perhaps it’s someone who is lgbtq plus versus someone who is not unaware of it. Somebody who is deaf and in that community and culture and somebody who is not and is trying to learn how to respect and honor the different cultures and ways of living around us. And I think that by learning about it, inviting that in from a very respectful and honoring space, we learn so much more. And just like you are the student, you may also become the teacher and help people recognize that you’re not out to get them and that you are more balanced and that things are okay and whatnot. I think there’s this huge opportunity for all of us to come together in this compassionate, gentle space. If you are drawn to the beliefs and the feelings and the teachings and the culture of indigenous people, I encourage you to dive in.  

I encourage you to respectfully dip your toes and send out to the universe and say, Hey, can you send me a teacher and help me meet the people that I need to meet so that I can start walking on that path? Because the only way you will find that person is if you do open up. Kevin and I were talking about the concept right now. Kevin’s very much in this. Yes. And what else can I do? And if you say, yes, I would like that teacher, and what else can I learn? How many things shift? 

You bet it does. Just be ready for the ride. I think when you are working with someone within the native community, as an outsider, I would say this, I felt truly honored when I was living out in the southwest living, living in Arizona. And I found the sweat lodge to be so beneficial for me as a person. And it really did a lot for my heart, my spirit, my soul, and what a wonderful group of people they were that were there. It was on the Pima Reservation. And if you’re familiar with Phoenix, that’s pretty much really close within the city limits of Phoenix. But they were Pima, there were Pima and there were Navajo. That was pretty much it. Those two people, excuse me, there was Apache, there were Apaches there too.  

And the sweat lodges that I had been to up to that point were a big one for me was 10, 15 people. This sweat lodge alone was probably, I’m gonna guess it was, it was elliptical. So it was probably pretty close to somewhere between 16 and 20 feet long and probably a solid 12 to 14 feet wide, big sweat lodge. Wow. And I thought a big sweat lodge that we would have had a really heavy duty sweat lodge had 12 to 15 stones. No, we had somewhere between 48 and 52 stones in that sweat lodge. And everyone in there, you could just feel the spirit in there. And I faithfully went there for my own sake. I mean, because I needed that in my life at that time. I had drifted a little bit. I’m still on the path and still doing it, but I’m still being pulled into other stuff and we can maybe go into that later or go into another podcast. But we all will drift from time to time off of our given path. And sometimes it’s done for different reasons, but in this one, I felt really good that it gave me that grounding that I needed.  

And literally out of the proverbial blue, the leader came to me and parenthetically the leader and his wife actually helped young men and women on the PMA reservation with substance abuse. And they used the sweat lodge as a vehicle to help them overcome substance abuse. So it was pretty powerful. Yeah. He came up to me after I’d been there for some months, he put his hand on my shoulder and he said, Can I speak with you for a minute brother? And I said, Sure, what’s up? He says, You know, we have another sweat lodge. I said, Yeah, I, you know, coming next Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever it was, he says, No, no, no. He says, We have a family swat lodge every Sunday and I’d like you to start attending.  

Krystal Jakosky:    Oh wow.  

Kevin Pennelll:    That blew me away.  

Krystal Jakosky:    Literally invited you into the family.  

Kevin Pennell:    Yeah. And no ceremony. It just was what it was. And I also had the opportunity, one of the Apaches in the group came up, put their hand on my shoulder one day and then said, we have a very special thing. And we’d like, and this is after I had been invited to go to the Sunday sweats, because it was at one of those Sunday sweats that he came to me. And let’s face it guys, I don’t look native  

And he puts his hand on my shoulder and he says, Are you familiar with a very special Apache dance where a young woman is ushered into a young lady and is ushered into womanhood? And I said, Yeah, I’m a little familiar with that. He says, Well, we have a young lady who’s doing that. This, you know, whenever it is, he says, we’d be honored to have you. And this is the one where you would have the dancers, and the brain’s gone right now. Hopefully it’ll come back. Wink wink, nudge, nudge Krystal, maybe you can help me out here. But you have the special dolls that you can buy at gift shops and they’re the really cool looking dolls that you get. And they’re Hopi basically. Yeah, well the Apache have them too, just so you know. And  I went to that dance and they had the bonafide ones. They didn’t have the tourist ones because you can go to either one of those dances in Arizona and this one you were stopped on the road when you were coming in saying, who invited you?  

I told them and they said, Okay, you can come in.  

Krystal Jakosky:    Okay, fine. We’ll admit you. What I want to know, and I want my listeners to know, what is the purpose or the intention behind the sweat lodges?  

Kevin Pennell:    Good question. There’s a chapter in the book about that.

Sweat lodge. I attended the sweat lodge basically to– how do I start with this? Sweat lodge is an opportunity for us to bear ourselves to the universe and to cleanse ourselves from whatever is holding spirit back. Black Elk and his nephew, Frank FOLs Crow also had the same thing. And that is that with sweat lodges, you are given the opportunity to bury your soul and to go down deep inside and reveal to you what you need to change. Fools Crow talked about being a hollow bone and there’s a workshop that I’ve done before called Becoming a Hollow Bone. And interestingly enough, to me it’s also one of those central truths like love because the Dalai Lama talks about becoming, believe it or not, he uses the term becoming a hollow tube. But the hollow bone is just simply this.  

That you get rid of the stuff that’s inside that bone to allow more spirit to come through that’s unobstructed. And to give the analogy, they give the example of a plumbing pipe that if it gets clogged, the water can’t get through and you have to unplug it. And so the Sweat lodge is one of the vehicles that can be used to help rid ourselves of the stuff that’s within our being, within our bones that will help spirit to come through better. That’s one of the parts. But in most cases it’s  an opportunity to be cleansing and beautiful. That’s what’s done. And that’s another piece that I was taught if you want to have a sweat lodge. I was honored in being able to be taught how to do a sweat lodge and I’ve poured a few sweat lodges.  

The way that I would do a sweat lodge was somebody would come up to me, and this is how Kenny taught me and others chimed in with the same thing, is that you come up to me, you give me tobacco, and you give me a reason why. And I’m not trying to be a jerk, but if somebody comes up to me and says, Oh, I want to have a sweat lodge because I want to know what it’s like. No, why do you want it? It’s like the same question, Do you know who you are?

If you give me a good reason or if you give that elder a good reason and tobacco, there’s your way. And typically what I did was somebody would give tobacco or somebody would give Kenny tobacco and he’d say, Give me a few days to talk with the spirits. And that’s what you do. And my thing was, he taught me if I wait three times to come back through. And the third time it affirms that. In fact, if the third time doesn’t come at a certain length of time, then it ain’t going to happen. It’s just not meant to be. It doesn’t mean that you can’t have a sweat, it just means that I’m not supposed to be the one to do it. Or maybe you’re not supposed to have one. So there’s no money exchanged, it’s just your gift of tobacco. That’s the way I was taught. And you typically break bread afterward too. There’s a lot more to it than that. Does that answer the question?  

Krystal Jakosky:    No, it’s a fantastic answer and I very much appreciate it because it literally brings everything back to intention and spirituality and being connected with source, being connected with the universe, being connected with spirit, whatever that phrase is that works for you. So Native Americans, indigenous people, some people are going to do sweat lodges, and that is how they connect with that spirit. And other people are going to go to organized religion. That is where they have that connection with that higher power that brings them the peace and joy that they need. It all works for everyone depending on where you’re at and what you are seeking and what fills your heart and gives you the answers that you need in that moment. And so I love the intention behind it. I love the purpose behind it. It’s I am seeking, or I would like to connect or I need this, and because I need that, I am going to seek for answers. I’m going to seek healing. I am going to find somebody who can help me move forward and be better in my life than I already am right now. So thank you for that answer. Thank you for sharing.

Kevin Pennell:   Part of it is, the magic word that you used is something I used with students when I teach not only workshops, but  when I teach in massage school and when I teach whatever, intention is key. Intention is critical. So it doesn’t matter what you’re doing, you need to look at the reason behind it. Yeah. And you need to really say, Am I doing this for the right reasons? What’s my intention? What am I really engulfing in this? What am I really putting into this? What kind of energy am I putting into this? Yeah. And if you’re working with someone, side note massage therapy is, is if you don’t have the intention when you’re talking with somebody, or excuse me, when you’re working with someone and you’re doing the massage with someone, you’re doing the body work with someone, any of the stuff that we’re talking about, even if you’re doing counseling or if you’re doing anything like that, and if your mind is not totally focused with good intention with that person, don’t think for a second that they won’t feel it.  

You don’t have to say it. Words don’t have to express what’s really going on. And if we’re human, we’re going to do this, but if my brain is on, well, geez, I wish this interview would get done because I’ve got other things to do. If I let that intention come out in that, going back to the little three globes I had, and if your higher self picks up on that, guess what? You say, Okay, that’s good. See ya. And I never hear from you again. But it’s the side. The other side of that is if you’re a body worker and you are totally committed to this person and you’re not thinking about your rent, you’re not thinking about, Oh geez, this is this person again. And you’re not thinking about, Oh, what am I going to do this weekend?  

And if you’re not, you know, all the little thought monkeys coming in and if you’re not sidetracked by all that, guess what? They know it. They know when you are connected to them. And then the magic really happens because they say, Wow, I don’t know what this is that you’ve just done with me as far as a massage is concerned, or whatever the case may be, but it’s the most fantastic, most beautiful, most awesome experience. And I will come back and you say, Okay, great. And I will, It’s just magical when you do that because people want that. I was talking earlier today with someone and they said, You know what people are starving for right now. I mean, we’re doing this on a podcast, we’re doing this on YouTube, but they really miss being together. Actually touching each other. And it’s that communication that is so important. But anyway, ramble on intention next.

Krystal Jakosky:    No, you’re good. I’ve also noticed for me personally, I have done ti massage, meaning I am a trained ti massage therapist. And so I have often found that when I am in it, and this goes for, I mean, you brought out massage therapy, but I think that this goes for almost any action that we’re doing. If you focus on the action that you’re doing and you are really in it, I am cutting these vegetables and I’m getting the same size. I’m sanding wood, I’m chopping wood, I’m working on a client. If you focus on that and let everything else go, it actually becomes a meditation. One of my favorite things was to be working and losing my mind in what I was doing and having that intentionality and the fluidity because I was just present in that moment. And that presence is what brought me peace, is what brought me more energy to continue with the rest of my day. And so intention, the presence and things are completely different. So Kevin, what are you doing now? 

Kevin Pennell:    I’m talking with you. You ask, I mean.

Krystal Jakosky:    Like these days, I mean you and I could shop talk forever, you guys, I’m telling you Kevin and I could do a year’s worth of podcast and probably not touch on the same subject twice. And that’s fantastic to find such a gift like that. So I sincerely thank you for having me on your A Better Life podcast. And then I really thank you for being here because I really wanted to talk about the native way of life and their love for the earth and their connection to the world around us, because I think it is so absolutely beautiful. I feel that draw and it is one of those things that speaks peace and joy to my heart with all of the other things that we have talked about, but not necessarily on this podcast. What else are you into these days? Like what else are you doing in life?  

Kevin Pennell:    Well, I do have to share one other little thought with Native American stuff. It just came to me and I would just want to honor that, that if you are a person listening to this, watching this, and if you’re being drawn in that direction, be you white or be you native. And if you are drawn in that direction and you start to seek out someone, know this, that eventually, if you’re doing it for the right reasons, with the right intentions, it goes back to the old saying, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. But at the same token, when you find that teacher or where you find that person, you don’t just run right out and give them tobacco right on the spot. No, just take your time, go slow. Take it to somebody who has been there. Oh dear. You know, I want everything and I want it right now. Because that’s the way you do stuff, right? No, take your time. Be patient would be one key word. Another key word to keep in mind is love, trust, and thankfulness.  

Honor sharing, caring, giving, loving. That’s the ones that I’m trying to run in my brain. But that’s what we would say all the time to love, to share, to care, to give. We’re coming up on a season called, of course, Thanksgiving. And I have a podcast coming up that’s going to be on the Thanksgiving address. And if you have an opportunity to look up on Google or listen to the podcast, it doesn’t matter to me. It really doesn’t. What’s most important to me is that you look and find the Thanksgiving address. It was as it was delivered by the Iroquois people. Because it’s beautiful. When I did it the other day, I got emotional. It just really hit my heart when I would listen to my really good friend Mike Douglas giving that information to me. He was the main preventative skill school.  

Hope you don’t mind my sharing that. But, thankfulness is so important to be thankful for the air that we breathe. Be thankful for the life that we have. Be thankful that we are old because we could have died young. Be thankful for the simple little things. Be thankful for the person in your life. Be thankful for the people in your life. So what am I doing now? Well, I am enjoying doing podcasts. You’re talking about being focused on stuff. People really, my partner can’t believe it about how I can sit down with my audition software and I can spend hours editing. You can share that information with Avery. I can just go away. I mean, hours will go by and I’m just sitting here going on. 

Yeah. But I’m such a big picture person and yet at the same time I can be very detail oriented when I need to be. In Native traditions sometimes that’s referred to as mouse medicine. But anyway, so I do my podcast, I do some instruction, I do some workshops. I am a massage therapist who sees people here in Asheville, North Carolina, Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, I have  people ask, even if you’re a massage therapist and your listener watching this, and some people will ask me, Well, how many massages do you do a day? And I typically am going to do two to four, and that’s my happy place. Yeah. Could I do six? Yeah, I could, but I wouldn’t last. I’ve been doing body work of some level or another for about 22 years, and it can be done.  

So I do the massage, I do podcasting. I walk in nature. I love to get out and about. I just like being when I can. Through our other conversations, Krystal knows that we’re into cars a little bit. And I do have another podcast called the Driving Experience. I’m really into BMWs, and racing. I used to race, but I don’t race anymore. Just because, you know, I’m not going to say I won’t because I don’t know, but I just like to live an active life. We are currently living in a senior community while we wait for our house to be built. And we tried this for a while and, Krystal, we can’t do it. And I’m not putting anything down, but I, I cannot be that old person. 

Just can’t do that. Nope. Just can’t. You’re not ready. No. And, I don’t know that I ever will be.  There was a teacher who taught, she was actually responsible forTrigger Point Therapy, and her name was Janet Trave. And Janet continued her work as a massage therapist and, and doctor up until about three to four months before she died at the ripe old age of 96. Oh, wow. I intend to beat her record. So I gotta go good. But just stay active. And if you’re older and if you’re a senior and you feel like, Oh man, I just know, just stop doing what you’re doing and go out for a walk in the woods, bathe in the woods.  

 And no, don’t take a tub with you for crying out loud. I’m talking about being one with the forest. But, you know, be active. Get around young people and, and just be and enjoy life because that’s what we’re here for. We’re here to learn. We’re here to be filled with joy. We’re here for contentment. And I mean, if you look at the Dalai Lama that still does live things on occasion, and I saw something the other day and I realized he’s pushing 90 years old. And you look at him and he’s still smiling and he’s still going around and he’s still happy and he’s not dejected, he’s not down. So yeah, let us see. What else do I do?  

I build things. I stay active and I let my brain stay active.

Krystal Jakosky:    In all of that activity, in all of the things that you’re doing and loving and enjoying, what is your favorite or most unique? 

Kevin Pennell:    Geez.  

Krystal Jakosky:    Activity for self care.  

Kevin Pennell:    Oh, good one. Yay. Wow. 

Krystal Jakosky:    I don’t know what you thought I was going to ask.  

Kevin Pennell:    You know, I didn’t. What’s your favorite one? Oh God. No.  

Krystal Jakosky:    No. What’s your favorite, what’s your favorite way to take care of yourself and rebuild, regenerate? Because you’re doing a lot. You’re out and you’re functioning. What do you do for you?  

Kevin Pennell:    I will answer this with a line that I’ve used for years. It’s four words, go with the flow. What I mean by that is, today I missed my run and I missed my walk. Because I’m doing two podcasts. One I did, and one I’m being done. What was that? 

So I could get all upset about that or I could look at this as an opportunity for me. Because that’s what this has been. Yeah. You know, I’m sharing with Krystal and this is me time, this is what I want to do. But the rest of that part is for self care, and I’ve taught, and I have a workshop that I do with this, but self care is one of the biggest things for self care is awareness.  

Krystal Jakosky:    Yeah.  

Kevin Pennell:    You know what’s missing? So I might fill that void with going out for a walk in the woods. I might fill that void with doing some Tai Chi and Chiang. I might start to do the ch style 48 and I might get through half of it and start saying, Oh, I’m good with this. Yeah. And you know, I want to go with the flow to what generates within me, the sense of being me and no one else. And if you look at that book that I wrote, one of the things that came up in that book was, I am a chameleon. True, true story. Or I have been where, because of my background, and this will really spin us off and I’m not gonna go there but because of the way I was brought up a long time in a residence or a place or a community was two years when I was growing up, two years mostly it was like 18 months on average.  

Wow. And we moved and it was no regrets, not upset, no problems. But it’s funny because what that taught me to do is how to connect with people like that. And I could make a connection. I could get that. But in order to do that, I had to be like them. Listen to that. I had to be like them, not like me, like them. Why? Because in the way that I thought, it made me more comfortable around them because I’m like them. But then is when I really got the message that Kenny was trying to ask me years and years and years before, Kevin, who do you think you are? Who are you? And I went, Wow. And that’s when the change really happened. And people say, Geez, would you do that again? I said, I would try to avoid it like the bubonic plague, but I don’t regret a bit of it because I had to go through that. I had to do that change. So back the to question, what do you do for self care? I listen to the still small voice in my heart. When I used to, when I’ve signed off on my books before, I would say something to the effect of, let your heart and spirit guide you because they’ll never let you down.  

Let your heart and your spirit guide you because they will never let you down your heart, your spirit, not the other persons, but listen to your heart within and go with that. And once you get that message, you can maybe find that what you want to do today for self-care is meditate. I do that. I can meditate for a few minutes or I can meditate for two hours. I’ve done both. I can go down that road and we’re not going to go there, but you know, meditate, Tai chi, Chiang Reiki. I can get lost doing massages. That can be, believe it or not, be my self care, giving a massage. And of course receiving a massage because that is also self care. But you’ve got to take care of yourself. If you don’t take care of yourself, no one else is going to.

Krystal Jakosky:    You are, you are echoing so many things that I already say and I absolutely love it. It’s like these gigantic exclamation points coming down saying hello. Hey guys, remember self care is the conscious and intentional act of taking care of your own needs. And it could change from day to day. It does not matter. What matters is that you are letting your heart and your spirit be your guide because they’re not going to be false to you.  

I mean it’s like bam boo. Yeah. Bring it on. Meditation, you know, meditation is the moment that you tune out the world and tune into yourself. You tune into the breathing, you tune into the moment and you let everything else go. 

Kevin Pennell:    I think one of the things you should do with part of the self care is change it up. Don’t try to do the same thing every day. Because if you do the same thing every day, it becomes a habit. And before you know it, a habit becomes a rut and you are only different, you know, do you know the only difference between the rut and a grave? Both ends are knocked out. That’s the only difference when a rut and a grave is where you haver both ends knocked out.  

Krystal Jakosky:   Wow. Okay guys, let’s stay out of the ruts. I have one more question for you Kevin. You’ve already given us a really good one. So who are you is a great journaling question. I love to leave all of my listeners with a journaling prompt or a question that they can think about and really answer. And who you are is amazing. Is there another one that you can think of that you would love to encourage people to explore?  

Kevin Pennell:    What have you done for self care for yourself today? 

Krystal Jakosky:    Okay. Just today.  

Kevin Pennell:    For the whole week?  

Krystal Jakosky:   It doesn’t have to be huge. It’s one little thing today. 

Kevin Pennell:    What have you done for yourself today? 

Krystal Jakosky:    I have, I have loved having you here. I have loved chit chatting with you. I really hope that everybody out there listening has enjoyed listening to us as well, and that you’ve been inspired and that you are leaving this session of this podcast uplifted and smiling. I am. I love Kevin. I love just the way that it’s so free and easy to talk with you. How do people find you and are there any last tidbits of wisdom or words of knowledge that you would like to share with people?  

Kevin Pennell:    So I would say first you can contact me through my website, which is toward better life.com. If you want to reach out to me, just write to me at kevin@tortaboutlife.com. I am available to do consultations and stuff like that from time to time. I haven’t mentioned that, but I do, I have done that and I will be more than happy to do it. so that’s the two easiest ways to do it. You know, if I go into phone numbers and stuff. When we get acquainted, you can have my phone number and we can text. That’s fine. Yeah.The easiest thing is toward better life.com and Kevin toward better life.com. And that’s an email and the website. That’s the easiest way to do this. And if you’re in the western North Carolina area and you’re looking for a massage, you can still do the same thing. I’ll just direct you to who to contact to get a massage. I think I would leave people just with those same simple words that if I can get them again in my head properly, and that is listen to your heart and spirit because they won’t let you down.  

Krystal Jakosky:    Amen. Oh, thank you so much for being here today. Thank you for sharing with me and starting my day off so beautifully. So Right. Thank you. 

Kevin Pennell:   Thank you. Pleasure’s all mine. We’ll do this again.  

I hope this moment of self care and healing brought you some hope and peace. I’m Krystal Jacosky on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. And I hope you check us out and follow along for more content coming soon. I look forward to being with you again here on Breathe in. Breathe out. Until next time, take care.  

learn how to reap into that.

Judith Costa:
That’s like a lamp that you have and it’s perfect. And you say it’s not working. I don’t have light. And then one day you remember that you have to plug it in or turn it on. And it’s not that it’s not working, is that we have forgotten how to really connect. That’s it?

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah, that’s really, really cool. You’re also a certified happiness coach. What does that mean?

Judith Costa:
Yeah. Happiness trainer. I did that. I love to learn. As you can see in the nice introduction that you share with the listeners and it’s because love and happiness are really interconnected. Both are daily decisions that you make in the moment you open your eyes every day in the morning and put the feet on the floor. You decide to be happy. That’s the inner joy. It’s not the happiness that comes from the external circumstances, helping and everything is working and I’m doing well. And then I’m happy and I’m happy until something happens. Then it’s bad. I label it as bad. I don’t want it. I don’t like it. And then I’m unhappy. I am talking about this real connection with yourself that comes through love, where you start seeing life with a different light, with a different perspective, with where you are more in acceptance of what is that brings the inner joy. You don’t fight with life. You surrender, you feel guided. And that’s one of the good things about working with Akashic records.

Judith Costa:
And we will talk about this later, but imagine that you have an oracle open for you 24 hours, and you can ask anything, are you going to feel more supported, more guided that you have someone on your side that can take you by the hand and guide you where you want to go.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. Judith, what brought you to this point in your path? What brought you to being this coach and helping people just come into more self ownership? How did you get here?

Judith Costa:
Oh wow. How many hours do we have?

Judith Costa:
It’s a long story. Okay. The brief summary is that life put me in this spot. I always have been interested in psychology. I studied astrology and the master in psychology and analytical psychology, just for fun for me for self growth. But it was because my life was not working. I needed answers. I believe in going to the root, finding the cause, understanding who you are. And nobody told me at that time that what was happening to me could be solved. If I love myself a little bit more. I had a problem of self love, but nobody comes and says, “Hey, I have a problem of self love. Help me love myself a little bit more.” We see the consequences. It was so hard on myself. My relationship was not working. I didn’t have a job that I love. From outside my life was looking great. People say, “Why you complaining?”

Judith Costa:
I mean, what is your problem? Why are you depressed? And I was feeling so, so sad that also sad. Then I start reading, I start learning. I start looking for my purpose and life sent me to the US. I moved here from Spain at the end of 2010, I became a coach. I became certified happiness trainer and I comes consult of the Akashic records. I finished my training in Reiki and I continue learning every day because I think that it’s the way we really can transform our lives. Education from zero to whatever age are is the key of being happier.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. I want to talk a little bit about, are there misconceptions about the Akashic records and when you first came into contact with them, what was your initial thought or feeling? Did you embrace them wholeheartedly or were you suspicious of them? How did that play out?

Judith Costa:
I’m going to start by answering your second questions. When I did the level one, I felt very connected with this. My first class was like, I have been doing this for all my life. And yeah. Then I discovered that for many past lives I have been connected and it was a reconnection with the Akashic records, more than a new learning. Everybody can do this and I’m not gifted. I’m not a special. Maybe I have been… I have little bit more experience. I have been doing it for more time, but I teach people in a weekend how they can access this field of information and everyone, every student gets it. It’s not something really difficult. It’s just trusting and learning how to receive. We don’t go to find information. We receive the information. We’re just this pillar of light where we receive. And I’m saying that because it took me a lot of time to finally be able to do this level one class on how to access Akashic records. In Spain, there was a team of Arch Akashic records, consultants international that its organization and the lineage that trained me.

Judith Costa:
But people from south America was going to Spain and I never was able to attend. Then I moved to New York. There was no teacher. And that moment everything was in person. And until I moved to Florida, I couldn’t find my teacher and the person with whom I train. And I did all the levels. Then I think that it is not what you want to do. It’s like you have to wait until you are really ready for that. And then the universe provides and about the Akashic records and the misconceptions, I just wanted to say, I was having a meeting with a person that does SEO services. And we were looking at the level of research that the word the Akashic records and the questions that people ask to Google. And I was amazed like 40,500 people ask questions related to the Akashic records.

Judith Costa:
What are they, how you access? What is this? Is this same of as mediumship, what it is. Then I think that there are misconceptions because it’s not an easy concept to explain. And I think that people think that it’s the same as an intuitive reading because consultation of the Akashic records is based on questions that you can ask. But it’s more powerful than that because within the field of the Akashic records, we can also do healing. It’s not only about knowing that you have a pattern of thought. It’s about what can I do to heal it, or that this happened in the past life. What can I do to resolve this issue? Or I have a problem in relationships. Okay. What I have to do in order to really let go of that or do forgiveness work. And when people experience it, they really are amazed and they get it. But when they don’t know what it is, it seems like science fiction.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. Yeah. It’s hard to grasp and yet it seems like more people are starting to search for answers that are for lack of a better word beyond themselves, like beyond their conscious thinking. And so I think more people are opening up to the possibility that they could tune into a higher power for some added guidance and added help. And Akashic records is one of those ways that people are starting to open up and see and explore just a little bit to see, “Hey, is this something that could really help me on my journey to open up and understand who I am and where I’m from and where I’m going and what I really want to do in life.” So I think it’s really cool that so many more people are now coming around to that.

Judith Costa:
It’s not by chance that there are many professionals being trained, more teachers, more books published and more people on the voting to that. I have heard. And I don’t know if it’s true or not. I have never asked the Akashic records that for a period of time this knowledge was not accessible to everyone because there was a bad use of this. Then it was in the hands of mystics and teachers and priests and some specific people that keep the knowledge. And now is the moment where it’s again in the hands of humanity for our growth, our spiritual growth. And people think that because the Akashic records are like the journey of your soul, like the book of your soul, where everything about you, there is recorded that it’s only about this is spiritual matters, but you can access your Akashic records to ask.

Judith Costa:
I have lost my wallet. It has been stolen, or I have just lost it. And where it is? For practical advice about… I always tell this story because it’s very funny. I had a problem with American express. They charged me for something full amount where it should be in installments and I was panicking and I opened my records and say call, and there was going to be a wonderful person that is going to help you. Everything is going to be resolved and was really that’s it so simple. And that was it. It was a wonderful person that resolved everything. They even reimbursed me the fee of the other bank that charged me because the lack of funds that happened with this mistake, that it was their mistake. Then it’s for mundane and for spiritual important things, this connection with the Akashic records for everything you need.

Krystal Jakosky:
So explain the Akashic records to our listeners so that they can understand, try to understand what are they.

Judith Costa:
Yeah, let’s do that because we have been talking about it and we didn’t really give the people a proper explanation. Imagine that everything about you is recorded. Every experience, every thought, every emotion, everything. Then this one is reported in a field of information, energy, pure energy that we call Akashic records. And in this Akashic records where they contain is the journey of your soul. Since the inception of your soul. When you were separated from source, from your past lives, your present incarnation and the future development of your soul, considering that you have free will, you are created with free will. And maybe because of a session that you do with an Akashic records consultant then you decide to change things and you change your future. Then future is a pattern of possibilities, but you have the power to change it. But you can ask questions about your future as well.

Judith Costa:
Then in this field information, it’s like when you have your photographs in the phone and you transfer them to the cloud, then you still have access, but information is not there. Then in this field of information, everything exists. But it’s not really as a book, we use the metaphor as a book because it’s easy to understand, but it’s more like in video right now, for example, this interview that we are having is recorded. But from your perspective, Krystal, with your thoughts, your feelings at the moment, what you think about me, what you are worried about the internet, this and that, all of this. And from my perspective, what I feel at the moment, what I think what I’m about to say all of this, then that’s the reason why we can access the individual records of everyone. Everything has a record. My cat has a record.

Judith Costa:
Your business has a record, every person, but everything. We can open the records of a house. If we want, how’s this possible that we access of information. We use a combination of words. It’s a key that give us access to that. Let’s call it prayer. And when we ask through this prayer, we just ask to do this sacred work, the love and in the light we ask for permission, we ask for protection. We asked to do it correctly and to have access to their information that we need at the moment that we are ready to receive. They’re beings that give us this information. We call them masters of the Akashic records, but it’s just a label that we humans need in order to understand things.

Judith Costa:
They are pure energy. They’re pure and unconditional love. They are divine. And [inaudible 00:18:09] of the divine really, divine beings in the sense of that they see us through the eyes of love. They see our perfection, our divine essence, not only the product that we have as human right here right now that we are bringing to the table to the conversation with them. And these beings that love you so much, meet you where you are. It’s not that guidance that is pushy, that tells you this is what you have to do. No, it’s a guidance that helps you to go to the next step that opens up for you. That helps you to realize who you are and what are the options that you have in front of you? The guidance is very specific. Don’t think that they give you general messages, but the more you prepare your questions, thinking about the more heartfelt they are, the more open you are to receive. And it makes sense that they can then give you more because you are opening to receive. And that’s the important here.

Krystal Jakosky:
It’s like this conversation or any conversation it’s you ask a question, are you really invested in that conversation back and forth? Or is there a part of you that’s thinking about you really want to get back to that game that you are playing or you need to make dinner? What are you going to do? Or what color are you going to paint the ceiling? How vested are you in the conversation that you are having in that moment? And the Akashic records and the keepers of the records are like, “Are you really actually here? Or how ready are you for what we’re about to give you?” They’re not going to give you more than you can handle. They’re going to meet you right there and say, “Okay, this is what they can handle right now. This is what we’re going to give them.” And then if they come back and ask again, then we’ll give them a little bit more so that they can digest. Because sometimes we’re not ready. Sometimes we think we’re ready and we’re not ready. It’s like-

Judith Costa:
No, but it’s very important. What you just said, because usually a situation that you are experiencing in life have many different layers. Then we clear one layer and then we are ready for the next one. Have you heard people that say, “I have been working on this all my life and I’m still stuck here.” No, this is like a spiral process. You go deeper and deeper, then you clear something and something else show up. Then it’s like a situation can have many different roots. Like you problems in relationships. Maybe because you have ancestral influences on the role as a woman that you have in life. And then you have karmic issues with someone else and this show up and then you have your heart broken for many times and you cannot trust and you have closed your heart. Then there are different stories that affect and the way you feel right now about relationships, how open you are, how ready you are to love again, how much you trust that you can receive love. And yeah. Thank you. Thank you for pointing out that.

Judith Costa:
And it is true. Sometimes you ask and you don’t really want to know the answer or you listen to the same recording of the session. A lot of people say one year and a half after, “Are you still listening to the same recording and are you still getting new information?” Yeah. Because what resonate differently, you are a different person than even the same information feels a little bit different as well.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. Your lens changes just a little bit. So by the time that you’ve a year and a half has passed, you look back, your lens is a little bit different and you hear that again. And you’re like, “Oh, wait a minute. They were actually telling me this. Or they were actually telling me that. And oh, so now I can move forward this way because that’s really great.” It’s really fun. How it builds upon each other. It builds and it grows and it just opens up and says, “Here you go, baby.”

Judith Costa:
Yeah. And you know, when you read the book and you say, “Oh, I get it. Yeah. That was exactly what I needed.” And then you read the same book two years after and say, “Wow, I didn’t get it then.” Then here sometimes it happens.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. I recently did that. I read a book and I thought, “Oh man, I should be taking notes because this book is so good.” And I really want to be able to go back to these notes, but I didn’t take notes. And I knew for a fact that the next time I read that book, I would get completely different insights and just amazing mind blowing ideas that were completely different than what I read the first time when I was just like, “Oh, that was a missed opportunity. That was such a missed opportunity.” And when we don’t record our regular conversations. We don’t record our conversations with friends or family or loved ones. And yet every now and then I wish that we could, because playing that back, playing that moment back where you actually hear them say, I love you and you’re a beautiful person. And one time you might not actually hear it. But then six months later, or a year later when you’ve done some personal work, you’re like, “Oh, I’m starting to see myself through your eyes. And that’s pretty cool. I love myself too. That’s really amazing.”

Judith Costa:
Don’t worry Krystal, because all the conversations have recorded in the Akashic records and you can just take the level one. And you know how we work with the records after the class, in the class, you learn through processes, you practice since moment, one on how to open the records and how to receive information. Everyone receives differently. Some people are more like they listen. Some people see images, some people change depending on the moment, but you have the feeling that you are within Akashic records. But then we ask questions through journaling. Because if you try to just receive, you may feel like you are in your mind. And of course you are receiving because you have this constant thoughts coming to your mind. But that’s not the Akashic records, that’s your normal conscious, like all of this, then what we do is we have a journal.

Judith Costa:
We write a question and then we wait to receive the answer. And that’s a very particular way of working first because there is a record of the conversations. As you were saying, you can go backwards and see, “Oh, how much I have evolved, how much I have transformed myself.” You can see information that you never put in practice, but they gave you and it’s there. This is still there. Then it’s easier this way, because then by writing you make it physical. It’s not just an idea that pops up the mind. It’s not the intuition like a gut feeling. It’s bigger than that is that.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. I love it. I’m so excited. So Judith and I are going to open my Akashic records and I do have a couple of questions for her now. As she mentioned before, the way that you do this is that there is an invocation, a prayer that we will do. And then we’ll go ahead and ask the questions because of the nature of this. We’re actually not going to include the prayer for you guys. I’m technically going to pause this recording so that we can do that opening. And then you guys will be a part of the rest of our opening and our reading. So I just want to let you guys know that’s how a session would go. You would go, you would talk about things. You would then have a prayer and open the records. And then you could talk about your questions. You could work through any challenges or information that comes through that you might need to deal with. And then you keep going with life. So we’ll be right with you.

Judith Costa:
Krystal your records are open now and you can start with your questions or topics of conversation.

Krystal Jakosky:
So my first question right now is how can I improve my own sense of connection with myself and those people that I’m serving.

Judith Costa:
Towards gaming immediately. Before I asked the question, the way you were talking just, they were saying permission and not being hard on yourself. There is a sense of, I have to do it better. I have to serve better. I have to be better. And this it’s only for perfection at all. It’s just, this one thing puts you in a state of nervousness that disconnects you. Then is giving yourself permission to be you. That you are enough as you are, that there is nothing else that you really need to do because the more you are, the better you serve. Then make sense, it’s relax, take a deep breath, literally.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah.

Judith Costa:
And know that there is nothing different that needs to be happening right now. When you accept things as they are, you will see more clearly what’s the next step. What’s the next step, what’s coming. You will feel like more into like let’s lead to that. No, I’m not going to try that. Everybody’s doing that, but I don’t want to do that. You will also be more present in the sessions. You want to manage everything at the same time and you have a great capability to do that because you touch many things at the same time and you are very expansive. You have to stay where you are. Don’t get distracted by the next thing. Being here the next thing will come to you instead of you wanting to go to the next thing.

Krystal Jakosky:
Okay. This is very… It’s very apropos because my husband and I just had a conversation about not necessarily this exact topic but along these lines and he was like, “Just narrow down and relax. And you do you.” And that’s very much what you’re telling me is just you do you it’s okay. And I find it very, just heartwarming that they are echoing exactly what my husband has been saying too. “It’s okay, honey. You’re doing great. Just let it be.” So-

Judith Costa:
And Akashic records are very funny and they’re saying, “You have a husband why you need us? Ha ha ha.”

Krystal Jakosky:
They’re like, “Ha ha. Aha, he’s in tune. Got it.” Love it.

Judith Costa:
Yeah. Then you all over the place. When you relax, you will see your life transform more balance, more productivity and more abundance all together. Just for stopping, taking a breath and being where you are.

Krystal Jakosky:
Well, you guys heard it here. I need to stop and take a breath. So I’m going to be working on that. Wow. I want to go onto my next question and I really want people to understand that this one could be a vulnerable question for me. And yet I’m really intrigued to find the answer. So are there any… It’s not, are there, I’m already being told, there are. What are the limiting beliefs in my subconscious that I need to be aware of right now

Judith Costa:
Is what is coming first is related with the first question that you ask. There are many things in this unconscious mind stored, but we are going to talk about what its more powerful at the moment. That’s the way we feel we can serve you better. And the first thing that came up was this, am I good enough? That it’s related with the childhood. It’s related with the childhood because it’s the moment where you learn that you had to show up in a certain way to receive love. There was a point of connection at that moment that we can let it go. And I’ll guide you through the process when we finish with the information, we will do some healing about that. And it’s also connected with family patterns. It comes from the genetic lineage of you like a family of people where things have to be hard. Things have to be hard in order to be important in order to be worth it.

Judith Costa:
Then if I don’t arrive there is that I’m not good enough because other people looking around do those things. But when I see reality full of difficulties and not full of possibilities or potentiality, that is the way it is. The difficulties show up. I see them even all the people don’t and then there is a constant fight with yourself. That is what they were explaining in the first question. And that’s the reason why it was mentioned, giving yourself permission, giving yourself permission to be you is I’m not going to go all over and overview and overexert and not taking care of myself, just because in my mind I have this goal. Even if it’s a purpose, doesn’t matter this mission, it can be transforming the world. And it’s a great idea, but you cannot do it denying the love for yourself in the process because it goes against you. Your responsibilities is first with you and then with the rest of the world.

Krystal Jakosky:
This is a pattern that I’m absolutely aware of. And this is a constant, it’s a reminder, it’s a constant battle. If you will… It’s a conversation that I often have with my husband about just like I absolutely believe and agree that we have these hardships that come down through our DNA, through our family lineage and these learned beliefs and patterns. And so I have recognized these and I fight with them and I work with them all the time. And yet letting them go completely is not as readily easy to do as I would like him to be.

Judith Costa:
And let’s do it because you don’t want be in conflict with yourself.

Krystal Jakosky:
Nope. I don’t.

Judith Costa:
Then we have certain points in the hands called grace points and we have some prayers. Let me ask them, how are we going to do this exactly. Okay. The first thing that they want us to do is to start with a point. All the grace points are in the right hand, in the center of the right hand.

Judith Costa:
You have a point called main grace point. This what it does when we subtle like feel the pressure in here is that we can release the energy that is contracted regarding this topic that we are talking, but allows you to integrate everything that you have perceived until the moment. To make it yours and to create a more positive reference point. And the only thing that you have to do is just press set the [inaudible 00:35:40] I mean, grace is… Divine grace is something you receive just because you ask, there is nothing you need to do, but the intention is I want this I’m ready to receive. And when you feel it don’t let me know. You may feel, or may not feel the movement of energy it doesn’t matter. But there is a moment where you feel, “Okay, I am done. Oh, no.”

Krystal Jakosky:
I will tell you guys my… It is done. My heart is racing and I am just emotional right now.

Judith Costa:
Do you need the tissue? Do you need some water? Do you have a glass of water near you? You can take a sip. That’s very important. This is a safe place first. And that’s very important for you then now that tears your heart, it’s a way to release.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. Thank you.

Judith Costa:
When you are ready, we continue. That’s not all.

Krystal Jakosky:
I am ready.

Judith Costa:
Under the small finger in the right hand, we have a point called emotional release grace point. It directs your consciousness to disconnect and clear all the emotions related with this, that we are [inaudible 00:37:13]. Make it harder. Not being tolerant, not being good enough. And the last grace point, then we will use prayers. It’s reconnecting with the original innocence. Grace point is at the end of the band before the wrist starts, in the right hand. It directs your conscious as it move, the consciousness to position original innocence regarding this. How beautiful is it?

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. So say that again. What is this one doing?

Judith Costa:
It’s called returning to the original innocence grace point. And it moves your consciousness or directs your consciousness to move you to a position of original innocence regarding this that we are clearly.

Krystal Jakosky:
Beautiful. Thank you.

Judith Costa:
You’re welcome. They’re happy that you are going through this. Yeah. The healing comes with a sense of happiness. We have a prayer to release energy patterns and energy pattern is anything, it can be a pattern of filter behavior like sadness, anger, depression, and whatever it is, frustration, are energy patterns. Then I’m going to read it aloud and you just please follow. But first set the intention that you really, really want to release. That you give them this and they take it, they recycle this energy.

Krystal Jakosky:
So I am repeating what you say?

Judith Costa:
Yeah, yeah. You are going to repeat what I say. But first set the intention that you know what are you doing? What you want. To release this energy pattern.

Krystal Jakosky:
So my intention is to release that energy pattern so that I can be more open and secure in myself and my gift to the world?

Judith Costa:
Yeah. You will see the results. What is important for us they say [inaudible 00:39:25] is you really are ready to release it. They cannot take from you what you are not giving them and are you ready to give it?

Krystal Jakosky:
Yes.

Judith Costa:
Okay then that’s it. The prayer starts with several names. Father, mother, God, the spirit source. Do you have any preference? You can say universe?

Krystal Jakosky:
I just… My higher power. Yeah.

Judith Costa:
Higher power. Then we will use that. Are you ready? Should be ready together. Higher power we ask that this energy pattern,

Krystal Jakosky:
Higher power, we ask that this pattern,

Judith Costa:
Be sent on its spiritual evolution,

Krystal Jakosky:
Be sent on its spiritual evolution

Judith Costa:
For the highest good,

Krystal Jakosky:
For the highest good,

Judith Costa:
And mutual benefit.

Krystal Jakosky:
And mutual benefit.

Judith Costa:
Of everyone concerned.

Krystal Jakosky:
Of everyone concerned.

Judith Costa:
And we are going to close the process, when you feel ready? It’s something that we do to let go to release. I will send you all of this material, if you want Krystal. I do it with my clients after the sessions. Doesn’t matter if your records are open or close. Grace is something you can receive any moment just by asking, then anyone can use this. Then there is a prayer it’s called forgiveness, prayer, but it’s not forgiveness in the sense of, “Oh, I have to be good and I have to let it go.” It’s the forgiveness that sets you free. That when you release this, that we have been talking about, you are really free and it’s material to form to give to them. Again, you give it to them. They recycle the energy.

Krystal Jakosky:
Beautiful.

Judith Costa:
Ready to read together?

Krystal Jakosky:
Yes.

Judith Costa:
The intention is there?

Krystal Jakosky:
Yes.

Judith Costa:
Okay. If there is anyone or anything,

Krystal Jakosky:
If there is anyone or anything

Judith Costa:
That has hurt me in the past,

Krystal Jakosky:
That has hurt me in the past

Judith Costa:
Knowingly or unknowingly,

Krystal Jakosky:
Knowingly or unknowingly,

Judith Costa:
I forgive and release it.

Krystal Jakosky:
I forgive and release it.

Judith Costa:
If I have hurt anyone or anything in the past,

Krystal Jakosky:
If I have hurt anyone or anything in the past

Judith Costa:
Knowingly or unknowingly,

Krystal Jakosky:
Knowingly or unknowingly,

Judith Costa:
I forgive and release it.

Krystal Jakosky:
I forgive and release it.

Judith Costa:
If I have hurt myself in the past,

Krystal Jakosky:
If I have hurt myself in the past

Judith Costa:
Knowingly or unknowingly,

Krystal Jakosky:
Knowingly or unknowingly,

Judith Costa:
I forgive and release it,

Krystal Jakosky:
I forgive and release it.

Judith Costa:
You can change the wording. And you can just say the last paragraph. That is the one that connects the most with you right now, about yourself. This pattern, certain effects. First, this inner conflict that we have been talking, this battle with yourself. Like it’s never enough, not you. The circumstances, it’s a lot of energy invested in that. And it puts you in a position of asking for validation also around you. Because if I don’t feel I’m doing enough and being enough, then I have to look around for someone to say, “It’s okay. It’s okay.” Then the most important healing is the permission that you will give to yourself to be just as you are. And that’s enough. And the acceptance of this moment as it is of your life as it, there is always room for improvement. But you pray with What have, and you are grateful. And you appreciate what you have achieved. That’s why it’s enough because it’s yours.

Krystal Jakosky:
I have to tell you guys, I’m a bit lost for words right now. Judith hits a lot of things on the head. She hits a lot of truths and I know that those truths come from that connection to me and my records and who I am. And this is a journey. It is absolutely 100% a journey. And as you can see, even I am learning and growing and processing and trying to be even better in my life for myself and for those people that are around me. So in saying that I want every one of you guys listening to remember that it’s a process. It is absolutely a process and you’re going to peel away one layer and feel great. And later you’re going to peel a little bit deeper and you’re going to say, “I’m so glad I got to that one too.” And maybe it’ll be less of an onion and more of a cake. There are layers to our healing, to our progress, to our lives. And we get these little guideposts.

Krystal Jakosky:
We get these little gifts upon the path that help us to peel those layers back gently or not so gently so that we can heal them and shift them and move them and just feel… Be even better here in our own, the way that we show up in our own lives. So thank you Judith for… Yeah. Wow.

Judith Costa:
Thank you for the opportunity. And for those that are listening and they’re going to close your records by making a summary maybe they want to add something, but they want to really honor the words that you have said. The realization of that you share with your audience right now is the key to freedom for you. Knowing that it’s a process one step at a time, one day after another, that’s the calmness that you need to continue with the rest of your life and your heart holds a big capability for love. Remember that loves for gifts. That love respects. That love sets you free because it allows you just to feel its guidance. Know that you are loved as you are and conditionally that we only see the goodness within you and nothing else. And it’s so big.

Krystal Jakosky:
Thank you.

Judith Costa:
And with this, we are going to close your records just saying thank you to the master teachers and loved ones for information, the guidance and the healing that they provide for us during this mini session with you. And now your records are closed. Amen. Amen. Amen.

Krystal Jakosky:
Amen.

Judith Costa:
What a wonderful experience and thank you for your vulnerability and for the opportunity to do this, to really show how this consultation of the Akashic records works.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. Got it, yeah. If you are remotely interested, I encourage you to dive into Akashic records and how they can serve you and help you.

Judith Costa:
I like to offer 25% discount, but to those people that want to do two Akashic records consultations, instead of one, because as you can see with two questions and the healing and all of this, then people come with a lot of expectations with a long list of questions. And sometimes they feel pressure during the session. They want to put everything there. They are not proceeding because they want to ask the next question. Then I have realized how important it is that they feel relaxed enough to know that there is another session coming. They don’t have to do it immediately. They can wait one, two months between sessions. Process the information that they have received in the first one. But it’s not just the financial help that… Of course, it helps the 25% discount is a lot, but it’s because it gives you the opportunity to go deeper, to enjoy more the first session, to be more relaxed and to get more out of it.

Krystal Jakosky:
And how long is one session usually with you?

Judith Costa:
It’s one hour. Since the moment we open the records until we close them. Of course, we get a little bit longer. The first session you have to think about one hour and a half, because by the time we say “hello.” I’ll answer any question you may have. I’ll explain you the process and we have this one hour and then the goodbye, then what do you have to do with information and the payment and all of this. It’s one hour and a half. But the session properly is 60 minutes. Yeah.

Krystal Jakosky:
And how many… We only had time for two questions, but how many questions do you typically… Are you able to cover in an hour session

Judith Costa:
Around 10 questions or topics? And again, doesn’t have to be a concrete question. It can be a topic of conversation and to see how you had two different questions, but they were interrelated. They wanted to talk about the same. Then usually we see that you have many questions, but there is a theme around the session. And it’s very funny because people say, “Okay, I have first question, second question.” And they’re asking number two and they are getting the answer to number eight and to number nine. And it’s like, if the masters have read your list beforehand and they know already you what you are asking. And I don’t know, because I don’t need to know I’m just an intermediate person between the masters of the Akashic records and the client. I don’t need to know anything in advance. I’m here just to give the information without interpreting, but I have done sessions with one question and continue the conversation and more and more and more.

Judith Costa:
One topic leads to another because it’s not only about relationships, it’s sometimes your health and this is connected with the past lives. And this is connected with experiences that you had and questions that you always wanted to know. Yeah. Totally depends on how deep are your questions.

Krystal Jakosky:
And realize guys, you may not think that the question is very deep and yet you may get a much deeper answer than you ever thought possible because that information is just waiting to be given to you, waiting to come out so that you can just feel freer. So, and like Judith said, you’ve written it down. If you have written it down, they already know what you’re asking. They already know what your heart is because you have put it onto paper. You have brought it out of the nebulous of thoughts and organized it enough to be able to say, “This is what’s really burning on my mind right now. And this is what I want an answer to.” You made it real, which means that now you can bring out that truth. That’s absolutely beautiful. Judith. What are some of the ways that our listeners can connect with you? How can they find you

Judith Costa:
If they want more information? The best is that they send me an email to jidithCosta@hotmail.com or go to my website, subscribe there. As soon as you enter, there is a place to do that. Be in touch or go to the contact form where you can find my telephone number. Give me a call. I will explain everything you need to know, answer any question you may have. And if you just want to schedule a session, send me an email and let’s do it.

Krystal Jakosky:
Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you so much for opening up my Akashic records and giving me some beautiful guidance. I sincerely appreciate that. And if anybody has been intrigued, I really sincerely encourage you to go check out Judith. And if not, Judith, but you are really excited or intrigued by Akashic records. Find what works for you. I’m going to tell you this, find what really feels right to you and explore that this could be a new avenue for you to really do some self care and connect deeper with who you are, who you want to be and where you want to go. So Judith, thank you so very much for being with me today.

Judith Costa:
Thank you so much. And I just want add to what you say that the Akashic records transformed my life, my business as well, but my life in a way that I have never imagined. And again, there are many ways to arrive to the same place and destination. I have myself many tools that I use, but this is a special, this is powerful. This is really amazing. And now you have experienced it, then allow yourself to process what you received embodied. You don’t have to do anything. The energy will happen. And this is what happens after a session. There is a shift, no matter what with or without the part of the healing, there’s a transformation within you. That’s the reason why this is incredible. And I love it.

Krystal Jakosky:
Yeah. I’m excited to just sit with it. I’m just like… Yeah. So thank you. And thank you. And until next time, we’ll see you guys next week here on Breathe In, Breathe Out.

Krystal Jakosky:
I hope this moment of self care and healing brought you some hope and peace. I’m Krystal Jakosky on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube, and I hope you check us out and follow along for more content coming soon. I look forward to being with you again here on Breathe In, Breathe Out. Until next time, take care.